Konami Doesn't Want To Rush Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Vol. 2

Watched the "report" in the afternoon, these are the news that I wanted to hear! I guess optimizing a game like MGS4 will take its time. No worries, I've been waiting to properly play that game for years now, I can still wait some more!

Without multi audio option these collections are lazy garbages.

I’m glad they’re not rushing it since then it’ll be for Switch 2. I doubt they’d find a way to get MGS4 to run on Switch. I know it’s possible but these collections have lazy coding.

The game was on the PS3, it's optimized enough.
Could allocate 2gb ram of headroom for each platform and compile it to there. As long as they have the source code.

Heard Revengenace was considering or something as well (pipedream but would be amazing).

I do hope Volume 2 makes it to Switch and the successor though.

The one time Konami's ever not rushed a game.

MSG Twin Snakes.

It may be because I played though my first time with the first collection after an update or two, but I honestly didn't catch very many hiccups, on my laptop at least. Since the next one has bigger games I'd assume it has more places to go wrong, so that delay is a good thing.

I am familiar with Konami though. Claims in interviews famously do not mix well with their practices

Why phantom pain? No need to add that one, I would personally prefer the acid games, revengance, twin snakes or portable ops.

"Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me."

@SuperShaun Because it's one of the main games and a really great entry. Ac¡d isn't canon, Twin Snakes is terrible and Revengeance is a spin off. Not saying that those shouldn't be included (specially portable Ops as it deserves more love), but the main titles should take priority so Peace Walker, 4 and 5 should be mandatory.

Seeing how long it’s taking them between reveal and launch of the Suikoden 1+2 remaster, this is hardly surprising.

@SuperShaun @roy130390 Twin Snakes was amazing. Much better than the original. 😉

Yes take your time with this fine gold. Save it for the switch 2 😎
The gamecube version (twin snakes) is still the best version, i have ever played. If they remake that one for the switch 2 oeff.....

But they rushed the first one right?

@EVIL-C To each their own, but it's pretty hated among the Metal Gear fandom for good reasons. The gameplay changes ruined the balance of a game that was designed to be played with the limitations of the original in terms of gameplay, the cutscenes were really goofy and there was also inferior voice acting. Usually, fans that like Twin Snakes were introduced to Metal Gear with that game so that's why they appreciate it.

Maybe put the games actually ON the cartridge

konami pulling a nintendo? who woulda thought!

They should include MGS: Twin Snakes in Volume 2!

I also hope that they rerelease Volume 1 for Switch 2 with all games on the cartridge!!!! I didn’t buy it only for that reason. Maybe having both Volume 1 & 2 in one box?!!! That would be ideal!

@roy130390 that’s nonesense, my first MGS was 1 &2 and Twin Snakes had some incredible choreography in the cutscenes! Plus if you are not a baby, you don’t need to use the first person view and play it the old way. It’s definitely better than the original!

yeah, will ya stop rushing them?! 😮‍💨

@-wc-
They always make it sound like the issues are a surprise after launch. They supposedly test these games before they are released, right? Or at least I assumed they did. Even if it works great on whatever development machine they are using, you'd think they would test it out on Switch hardware too to make sure. This practice of all these companies knowingly releasing unfinished/imperfect games and hoping gamers are patient enough to buy it and then stick with it while they release patches is getting ridiculous.

Better take their time to have a fully finished product. Ho, and this time full game physically please? Maybe more on Switch 2, considering the content it might have!

Even though Phantom Pain seemed unfinished, I really really enjoyed that game on PC when it came out. Would love to play it on a Nintendo console!

If they add PP, I hope they add Ground Zeroes too, I mean they go together!

Unfortunate that volume 1 was such a "meh" at best. Would have been nice to have a larger collection of Metal Gear done right. At this point even if they release a knock out compilation it's always going to have a crap 1-3 sitting next to it.

@Bunkerneath your pfp sums up Konami's response to what you say.

@Znake It really isn't, as I mentioned there are important things to dislike. Again, preferences. For me and a lot of people, it's pretty bad, like a parody of the first game.

@roy130390 no, the one that has the inferior voice acting is the original MGS. The accents of Mei Ling and Naomi are annoying, everyone reads their lines with the sense that they need to do it as fast as possible, the delivery of the lines is underwhelming, and, on top of that, the traduction done to the Japanese script was terrible, hence why the script of Twin Snakes is an improvement, and the overall voice over work is sublime. I fell in love with MGS on PS1, but, after getting Twin Snakes, when it launched 20 years ago, I never looked back to the original, until it was re-released with the Master Collection last year, and I understood why Twin Snakes is the superior version. Even the cutscenes are better. This is the only game where we see Solid Snake do "Supersoldier stuff". It's awesome on every way.

@Bunkerneath At least MGS4 on cartridge hehehe.

@Edu23XWiiU Snake isn't a "Gray Fox Cyborg Ninja" or " Raiden Cyborg Ninja" type of super soldier. To prove my point, there's no other canon game in which he, or Big Boss make ridiculous stunts like that. He has fantastic aim (not perfect) , incredible endurance (slightly above peak human) and he's a close quarters combat expert but he's not an anime character. As for the voice acting and you finding the accents annoying, I don't know what to tell you. People from different languages talking in English tend to have a certain accent and before any kind of "racist card" is pulled out this is coming from a Mexican. Annoying or not, it's a common ocurrence and at least more diverse, interesting and logical than sounding like a common english speaker. But again, it's your preference. It's just, objectively, not as liked as the original with many of us that have been fans for decades.

Just to clarify something in case someone points it out Mei Ling was born in the U.S, but she lived in Chinatown and it's a common occurrence that parents raise kids with their mother language at home.

Also, Solid Snake was the inferior clone. Liquid turned out to be the strongest, Solidus is equal to Big Boss and Solid, from my understanding, might actually be weaker than Big Boss, who's peak human, but still human.

@roy130390 I'm Bolivian, and even I found Mei Ling's accent to be dumb, thank God it was disposed on Twins Snakes, and, it carried over to MGS4, since both her and Naomi don't have accents on that game. Snake battles tanks, helicopters, cyborg ninjas, enhanced soldiers, and gigantic robots. If he's not an anime character and a Super Soldier, I don't know what he is hahahaha. Besides, Kojima told Riuhei Kitamura, the director of the cutscenes, to make them "his own", instead of recreating the cutscenes as they were in the original, as Kitamura was doing first, but Kojima told him that, if he wanted to make the cutscenes as in the first game, he would have directed them himself. The cutscenes in the original are very lifeless and stiff, the improvement in the Twin Snakes was night and day. People tend to hate it because it was a GameCube exclusive, and back then, MGS was considered a "Sony exclusive", and Sony fanboys just threw crap to the game, just because it didn't came out on PS2. Now, it's generally well praised, for its improvements on the original.
And, Snake beat Big Boss, not once, but twice (the whole Venom Snake thing is stupid, but, whatever), despite being the "inferior" clone. Hell, he even beat the "Superior" clone, just with sheer willpower.

@Edu23XWiiU The point about mentioning my nationality was to show that I'm not an American following wrong ideas of how people from certain nationalities sound. If you are Bolivian then you must be aware that native English speakers do detect our accents and they are very clear, even to us. As for Mei Ling, I'm not an expert in Chinese talking in English, but she certainly sounds similar to chinese people that I have heard when trying to speak in English and Spanish, annoying or not. That's just my experience and perception.

Just because Snake is at constant disadvantage, facing incredible enemies doesn't mean that he's a super human. He's an incredible fighter and tactician and that's pretty much one if the points of the series: Genes don't determine who you are, and physical advantages only go so far, hence why these super enemies are constantly surpassed by him and his strategies. He's no average human and he's at peak, but as mentioned, he's no anime character.

I'm aware of what Kojima told him. That doesn't mean that's the vision that he has of his own characters, which are constantly depicted in cutscenes that he made. He was simple being a professional, letting an artist do his own vision. And even after that game, he didn't take that route, so it clearly wasn't his vision.

As for the cutscenes being dry, I don't know what to tell you. That way it seems that what you liked the game in terms of story were only the anime like sequences. That's up to you of course. To many of us said sequences do exactly the opposite of what the series is about.

As for the console wars and stuff... many of us, MGS fans, had more than one console and couldn't care less about that stuff. I'm sure that there were envious people, but thinking that it all came to a console war is inaccurate when there's many well constructed arguments for prefering the original. Hell, many of us were excited because we were going to play a remake of our favorite game with enhanced gameplay. It simply disappointed us.

Venom Snake makes perfect sense and explains why Big Boss was still around after apparently dying. As for the other point, it's pretty much what I said before: that's the thing. Snake constantly faces what seem impossible situations and his wits and willpower make him overcome the odds. Not being a super human.

Probably not including MGS4.

@roy130390 Kojima did make Snake do stuff like what happens in Twin Snakes. On MGS2, he boards the tanker by bungie jumping. And at the end of the game, he jumps to the water to "chase" Metal Gear Ray? Hahahaha, you're just banging your head towards a wall dude. On MGSV, Sahelanthropus pulls up a sword that creates protuberances from the ground. MGS has always been anime like, even Otacon's comparison of Snake to an action hero, and talking about anime and robots, is a direct reference to that. Accents were not kept for MGS4, so I'm right with the whole accent thing, or you wanted Mei Ling to say "flied lice" on that game? Good for you, for owning multiple consoles, but that doesn't change the fact that people saw MGS as a Sony "exclusive", and got Sony's consoles because of those games. Venom Snake was just a lame excuse from Kojima to justify the fact that Snake beat Big Boss twice. Worst plot twist ever, and don't get me started on the incomplete mess that MGSV is.

If MGSIV is part of the collection, it’s going to take time to port it over from the PS3. Even if they find the old Xbox 360 version that was never released, it still will take time.

@Edu23XWiiU I think itst otherwise and for some reason you can't accept that most Metal Gear fans see that game as over the top even by Metal Gear Standards. As I told you, to each their own. I have practically countered every point that you made but you are free to believe what you will. The truth is that MGS1 was the version that they included and that most fans wanted. Hopefully they do give you guys that want it, a port of Twin Snakes, maybe.

As for comparing bungie jumping with matrix like movements dodging a missile with ridiculous acrobatics and other nonsense from that entry... As I told you a couple times before, I don't know what to tell you other than there are levels of over the top just like John Wick isn't the same level of over the top as Dragon Ball. But you believe what you will. Before you take it too literall, it's just an example to show contrast.

Also, Metal Gear having anime like and over the top elements it's not the same as the protagonist being like a super human anime character... your argument is all over the place and you are grasping at straws. Again, Snake is canonically mentioned to be an inferior version of a peak, but still human character. The point of how impressive are his accomplishments is the contrast between him and the incredible conflict.

Also, saying that you are "right" about accents shows that you are too fixated in "winning" this argument instead of having a proper constructive discussion. And no, it doesn't prove that. Not in an era in which people find everything offensive including stereotypical accents, accurate or not.

For how you express about Kojima and your thoughts on MGSV, you clearly are more a fan of Twin Snakes than the actual Metal Gear series and that's ok. As I told you, I find Twin Snakes just as lame as you find MGSV.

Let's simply agree to disagree.No need to make it personal.

@roy130390

"the cutscenes [in Twin Snakes] were really goofy.

I have bad news for you regarding the rest of the series 😂

all I want is for a barebones port of MGS4 that doesnt suck. so I guess if they made that, I'd buy it 👍

The main goal is porting MGS4 since that's stuck on the PS3, people have wanted that for a long time.

@Vyacheslav333 Most players don’t really care about this tbh

@-wc- Sorry, that reply didn't reach me, I just saw it because I checked a previous notification. As for those news for me, I have played every entry aside from Survive. Metal Gear does have over the top cutscenes and even some goofy ones, but as I explained they aren't as exaggerated as those on Twin Snakes in my opinion. I understand if people disagree, but I already mentioned why I personally dislike that game. There's also many videos and explanations going more in depth about why a lot of the fan base doesn't like that game and why It feels exaggerated even by MGS standards if someone is still curious about the topic. Personally I'm done with that, if people don't mind.

Also I agree, I'd be fine with whatever port they make of MGS4. Hell, I'd tolerate the long loading screens that happened between chapters just to play it again.

That’s the thing, I don’t trust them after the lazy part one collection. I was willing to get into the series, but the reviews completely put me off. Now In my head Konami is a creator with no respect for their own work. I wonder why some companies don’t care about the messages they’re sending.

Mgs4 I’d get but probably on Xbox unless it runs well on switch by some miracle. I’ve never played 4. 5 and peacewalker I’d love to see running on switch but I have them already elsewhere. Twin snakes would be very welcome as well on here.

I hope they also add the game boy one, the portable ops and the acids also.

@roy130390 You're the one avoiding the reality. I countered your point of the accents being dropped for MGS4, yet, you choose to ignore that. Then, MGS is full of "over the top" moments, that are not even on the Twin Snakes: I already mentioned MGS2's bungie jump, you avoided my comment on Snake chasing Ray, we have Vamp there, and a "normal" soldier like Raiden supposedly beats him; on MGS3, we have the whole bunch of the Cobra Unit: The Fear, who climbs trees like a spider, The Pain, who conjures bees, The Fury, who, after dying, conjures flaming flying heads. The Sorrow, who you battle on your dreams. Since you mentioned "matrix level of action", look at the whole fighting sequences of Raiden against Vamp in MGS4, that ain't anythink like Matrix or an over the top anime movie, right? Hahahaha. I love MGS, and I can tell you when Kojima started to throw crap at everyone, and that was on MGS4, but MGSV takes the cake, for being an incomplete mess. You have gei blind love, which obviously makes your point of view so subjective, that you see the failures of MGS, as actual wins, and hence why the franchise has been dead until last year. "Agree to disagree" is like saying "I'm so up my own flatulence, that I think I'm superior than you". Well, you're quite the opposite dude hahaha. Keep dreaming!

@Edu23XWiiU How were they "avoided'? I explained why they were different situations. Avoiding something means that someone doesn't address what you say. The one avoiding recognizing logic is you, like when you said nothing about people from other countries actually having accents when they speak English. You know it's true, but somehow you think that they dropping that several games before somehow proves you are "right". That can happen for several reasons, including people getting offended despite of being more accurate than talking in a native english accent. It also proves that you are desperate to be right instead of understanding what the other person says.

All your so called "arguments" are repeating the same stuff over and over, and to be sincere a lot if it is nonsense and all over the place. We were talking about Solid Snake not being an actual super human and I proved you that and you tried to argue that he was because his enemies were, which again, I explained why it has no relation and how it's confirmed that he's a weaker clone of a normal person. That isn't even up to debate. Then, you tried to play it as if I said that Metal Gear doesn't have over the top things and a super powers which wasn't the original argument as we were specifically talking about Solid Snake and not the same thing at all. Not even similar.

I also tried to explain you why there were different levels of over the top and why it's not the same and you, like a toddler, just repeat over and over the same thing. You also proved in this last reply that you are really egotistical, because you try to imply that only my opinion is subjective. Newsflash dude: both opinions are, and at least I'm backing up mine addressing your points wether you recognize it or not. Something that you aren't doing.

As for "agree to disagree" being "I'm superior than you"... All I can tell you is to seek help and realize that interpretation is you projecting. Things don't mean what they make you feel, that's up to you. All that "agree to disagree" means is that we can't reach an understanding and we need to move on from the argument. You can seek the definition online.

Either way, at this point, mods might probably delete our replies because they try to regulate arguments. If you don't believe me, you can keep at it. Personally I'm done with you because you have proven to be projecting whatever complex you have and you aren't willing to have a proper discussion. At this point I'll just let you have the last word because I'm sure that you can't avoid replying after this with the same stuff and won't even read it because there's no point.Take that as a "victory" if it means so much to you and makes you feel any better.

@roy130390

no worries, Roy! I was totally joking, and MGS is one of my favorite series' of all time 😊👍 I agree that Twin Snakes is over the top even for the series, though i loved it personally 😄 I know it has other problems too but I just had a blast revisting what at the time felt like an old favorite.

4 and twin snakes are the two miss the most, probably largely due to low access over the time since.

cheers

@-wc- Glad to know a fellow MGS fan! Honestly, I'd still revisit Twin Snakes even though I have my share of problems with it. The ones I miss the most are Peace Walker and 4 and getting them with the online functionality working again would be a dream come true. But I guess that's really unlikely haha.

Cheers mate!

@Johnion Sadly, yeah...

Well one thing's for sure, the debate as to whether or not the rest of the Metal Gear series can run on Switch is seemingly a moot point, given that it may not be until 2028 that we see a Master Collection Vol. 2 happen. That said, I still say that Vol. 2 should contain Portable Ops, Guns of the Patriots, Peace Walker, and a bonus inclusion of Ghost Babel or Acid. Whereas The Phantom Pain should be set aside for a Vol. 3 instead.